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a new request from speaker boehner that could actually bring both sides together on the fiscal cliff. >> good, lord, is that possible? also, president morsi sends in tanks to keep the peace as violent protests rage in cairo. we'll have a live report from the region. >> i'll tell you what, it is a mess in egypt, the parties starting to fight each other, meet the new pharaoh, same as the old pharaoh, unbelievable. >> we have full coverage on that coming up, but first, let's get the news live at 5:30 a.m. at 30 rock in new york city. >>> the effort to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff is now a two-man operation. president obama and speaker boehner. thank you. nobody else will be in the room. with 24 days before a year-end deadline, "the new york times" says boehner made the request to clear the negotiation room going forward, leaving it up to himself and the president to reach a deal to avoid automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts. and while the two men may be negotiating privately, yesterday the president took his mess dwrooj the public, visiting a local virginia family as a part of
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negotiators are going to talk about specific proposaals for both sides to avoid that fiscal cliff. tracy pots joins us from washington with all the details. good morning to you. >> good morning, everyone. a number of high level but individual meetings scheduled here today on capitol hill with really just a handful of lawmakers who could have a big impact on your paycheck. tim giter in and rob neighbors bring the deficit cutting plan to capitol hill today. >> reporter: negotiators are meeting with boehner and top democrats. they heard the plan wednesday at the white house. at least one thinks there could be a deal here. >> if i were involved in the negotiations like this and everybody was purporting to be where they are, i would say that an agreement is reachable. >> i'm hopeful. it wouldn't put me anywhere near optimistic. >> reporter: one conservative is suggesting that while negotiations continue, congress should stop tax rates going up on the middle class now. >> we're not going to raise taxes on those people. i think we should make that clear to everybody. >> reporter: bottom l
negotiators are going to talk about specific proposaals for both sides to avoid that fiscal cliff. tracy pots joins us from washington with all the details. good morning to you. >> good morning, everyone. a number of high level but individual meetings scheduled here today on capitol hill with really just a handful of lawmakers who could have a big impact on your paycheck. tim giter in and rob neighbors bring the deficit cutting plan to capitol hill today. >> reporter: negotiators...
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particularly with this fiscal cliff. >> well, we haven't talked about one of the big pieces of the fiscal cliff, which actually has a way bigger impact on the economy than tax breaks for the folks at the top, and that's the payroll tax extension for 160 million americans. the nonpartisan congressional budget office says that gives you the most bang for your buck economically speaking. i believe we have to extend that for a year or come up with some alternative way of doing that. let me say a quick word about medicare reform. there's a difference in outlook. we believe we have to find savings in medicare. the president did, $760 billion, and we can build on that by trying to modernize the system, reduce costs overall in the system, not simply transfer rising health care costs onto the backs of seniors on medicare. $22,000 median income. that's what the voucher plan did. we believe we can find savings by changing the way we reimburse doctors and hospitals. not by across the board cuts, but by focusing on the value of care, the quality of care, not the volume of care and the quantity of care
particularly with this fiscal cliff. >> well, we haven't talked about one of the big pieces of the fiscal cliff, which actually has a way bigger impact on the economy than tax breaks for the folks at the top, and that's the payroll tax extension for 160 million americans. the nonpartisan congressional budget office says that gives you the most bang for your buck economically speaking. i believe we have to extend that for a year or come up with some alternative way of doing that. let me...
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gives him a chance to go out there and have some momentum going into the fiscal cliff talks. i was just at the speaker's press conference down the hall at the top of last hour and he said look, there's no progress being made and his call with the president was just more of the same and the staff talks behind the scenes yesterday were more of the same. he didn't give us a whole lot of optimism going into this weekend here, alex. >> here's my question. i have many questions, but when we get these numbers, this is always confusing to me. last time we talked there was discussion on twitter and concern circles the bls was populated by about a socialist revolutionaries cooking the numbers for obama. those numbers have been revised downwards. may happen for november. why do analysts keep getting them wrong and when you think about the unemployment rate, theoretically we want it to go down but as you're explaining when it's going down that's not actually a good sign for the american people. down is bad, up can be good except when it's bad. the bcs is reliable except when they get it
gives him a chance to go out there and have some momentum going into the fiscal cliff talks. i was just at the speaker's press conference down the hall at the top of last hour and he said look, there's no progress being made and his call with the president was just more of the same and the staff talks behind the scenes yesterday were more of the same. he didn't give us a whole lot of optimism going into this weekend here, alex. >> here's my question. i have many questions, but when we get...
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now let's talk about the fiscal cliff and house and senate leaders expected to meet with the president next week and hopefully negotiations will continue. staffers reportedly have made little progress over the last week. politico is writing this saying that the gop's opening offer, the sources said would freeze the bush era tax rates, change the inflation can clated for entitlement programs, keep the estate tate at 2012 levels and overhaul of the tax code and not provide a revenue target. martin, if this is the starting point, if that's the starting point -- are republicans as serious about compromise as they claim? >> that offer's like the sticker price at a car dealership. >> with room. >> you know you won't pay that and then the big question unanswered now is will republicans budge on rates or revenue? we have to distinguish. republicans are open to increasing tax revenue by a cap in deductions, closing loopholes and so far they haven't shown willingness to moving tax rates up for upper income americans. do they talk about entitlements? folks on the left say we're not touching entit
now let's talk about the fiscal cliff and house and senate leaders expected to meet with the president next week and hopefully negotiations will continue. staffers reportedly have made little progress over the last week. politico is writing this saying that the gop's opening offer, the sources said would freeze the bush era tax rates, change the inflation can clated for entitlement programs, keep the estate tate at 2012 levels and overhaul of the tax code and not provide a revenue target....
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we'll talk about guns in a minute. let's talk about the fiscal cliff. are we going to get a deal here? >> we're going to get a small deal. it's a shame. you wonder is the only thing that could change things, the holidays, does it change boehner's mind? i think the president is making a mistake to make small deal. he should try one more time for the big deal. you had nearly 200 house republicans about to vote to raise taxes on millionaires. that means could you get it up from 400 to 750? a deal is within reach. he's got to figure out -- i think go one more time. they seem to have had it and they don't want to try boehner one more time but i think they're making a big mistake. >> congressman, if he puts down a bill that requires democrats to get it pass, there will be a revolt. >> my frustration is with the democrats because the house republicans, our conscience is clear. in august we passed a bill to extend all of the tax rates. we did deal with the fiscal cliff issues weeks have passed that. it's harry reid and the president that have yet to come up wit
we'll talk about guns in a minute. let's talk about the fiscal cliff. are we going to get a deal here? >> we're going to get a small deal. it's a shame. you wonder is the only thing that could change things, the holidays, does it change boehner's mind? i think the president is making a mistake to make small deal. he should try one more time for the big deal. you had nearly 200 house republicans about to vote to raise taxes on millionaires. that means could you get it up from 400 to 750? a...
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let's talk about opportunity certainty over the fiscal cliff talks. that's what the -- stocks sliding, what happened? >> great question. yes, we saw uncertainty with fiscal cliff. we saw all three u.s. stock indexes tick down about 1% apiece. yesterday on friday, and i would call this running for safety. we are seeing investors pull out of stocks including business executives with insider trades. plowing into safe haven areas like u.s. treasuries and seen oil come off as well because of the recession dary fear. >> what about the stores which experienced a bit of a sales slump? at least through december 15. how bad was it? >> you know, i -- not great. i think that we are actually seeing the same type of pattern we saw last we are. saw relatively robust sales over black provide we saw a lull for a couple of weeks. we saw people pile into stores and in this weekend before christmas. i think we will see the same thing with lots of last-minute shoppers trying on pick up their gifts. i think we have seen a lot of things about fears about the fiscal cliff, s
let's talk about opportunity certainty over the fiscal cliff talks. that's what the -- stocks sliding, what happened? >> great question. yes, we saw uncertainty with fiscal cliff. we saw all three u.s. stock indexes tick down about 1% apiece. yesterday on friday, and i would call this running for safety. we are seeing investors pull out of stocks including business executives with insider trades. plowing into safe haven areas like u.s. treasuries and seen oil come off as well because of...
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. >> chris, i think to some extent the market has priced in the notion we would go over the fiscal cliff -- >> you're wrong. no. everybody -- who you talking to? i keep talking to people and they -- who you talking to? >> i actually spoke with a source the other day who is in washington, he's an attorney, who said, listen -- >> a lawyer? >> a lawyer but speaks to a lot of folks that are wall street types who says the market could take it for a couple of weeks. we're not talking months. >> the cake is baked and they think the intelligence of politicians is up to this challenge. >> but wall street doesn't really have a lot of faith in this process to be able to get done. they have priced in just a little bit that this could happen for a while. maybe not for months, but you wouldn't see the market necessarily crash like the next day. you'd have time. >> thank you, joy reid. thank you. >>> tonight, how their own polls fooled the romney campaign into thinking they had this baby won. what went wrong for those guys. did republicans lose the election because voters rejected mitt romney or becaus
. >> chris, i think to some extent the market has priced in the notion we would go over the fiscal cliff -- >> you're wrong. no. everybody -- who you talking to? i keep talking to people and they -- who you talking to? >> i actually spoke with a source the other day who is in washington, he's an attorney, who said, listen -- >> a lawyer? >> a lawyer but speaks to a lot of folks that are wall street types who says the market could take it for a couple of weeks....
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. >>> here's what's happening, the fiscal cliff debate moved to the sunday talk shows today. the speaker of the house, john boehner, said he was flabbergasted by the proposal unveiled by the obama administration. treasury secretary tim geithner said it's up to republicans to make the next move in negotiations. >>> more storm trouble in california with snow and rain hitting the area. some rivers remain in danger from overflowing. >>> now back to "caught on camera." >>> unfortunately, convenience stores can sometimes be targets. but not usually like this. >> i turn, and then there's just a car coming at me. in the dog days of the summer of 2011, it's 16-year-old sammy's last day at a temp job helping out at his father's seven 7-eleven in aurora, colorado, and the high school junior is about to get a back-to-school sendoff he'll never forget. >> there was two people at the store. one was getting a blockbuster from the machine. the other was getting a slurpee. the guy with the slurpee was walking up to the counter. i was talking to the guy and i hear a loud noise coming from my r
. >>> here's what's happening, the fiscal cliff debate moved to the sunday talk shows today. the speaker of the house, john boehner, said he was flabbergasted by the proposal unveiled by the obama administration. treasury secretary tim geithner said it's up to republicans to make the next move in negotiations. >>> more storm trouble in california with snow and rain hitting the area. some rivers remain in danger from overflowing. >>> now back to "caught on...
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cliff plan before the ink is even dry. we'll talk about where the two sides go from here ahead with mike halpern and john meachum when we come back here. [ emily jo ] derrell comes into starbucks with his wife, danielle, almost every weekend. derrell hasn't been able to visit his mom back east in a long time. [ shirley ] things are sometimes a little tight around the house. i wasn't able to go to the wedding. [ emily jo ] since derrell couldn't get home, we decided to bring home to him and then just gave him a little bit of help finding his way. ♪ [ laughs ] [ applause ] i love you. i love you, too. tintroducing a revolutionary. i lit new mascara. clump crusher...crusher. 200% more volume. zero clumps. new clump crusher from easy, breezy, beautiful covergirl. progresso. in what world do potatoes, bacon and cheese add up to 100 calories? your world. ♪ [ whispers ] real bacon... creamy cheese... 100 calories... [ chef ] ma'am [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. >>> then i wake up, right? >> right. >>
cliff plan before the ink is even dry. we'll talk about where the two sides go from here ahead with mike halpern and john meachum when we come back here. [ emily jo ] derrell comes into starbucks with his wife, danielle, almost every weekend. derrell hasn't been able to visit his mom back east in a long time. [ shirley ] things are sometimes a little tight around the house. i wasn't able to go to the wedding. [ emily jo ] since derrell couldn't get home, we decided to bring home to him and then...
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meanwhile, back here after the holiday weekend ends, the fiscal cliff negotiations will heat up. now the speaker of the house has thrown a new problem into the talks, can a deal actually be reached? >>> shoppers looking for their own kind of grand bargain today. we're going to look at the black friday crush at shopping malls and super stores all over this country. but we start this hour with breaking news in egypt. you're looking at live pictures of tahrir square in cairo after the new egyptian president morsi gave himself sweeping new powers today. tahrir square also the heart of last year's uprising. demonstrators filled the streets of alexandria later today. morsi's new powers put his own decisions above all legal challenges until a new egyptian parliament is elected. despite the protests, morsi moving ahead with his plans at the same time insisting that his new powers are for the good ofu issued a statement moments ago saying in part, quote, we call for calm and encourage all parties to work together and call for all egyptians to resolve their differences over these important
meanwhile, back here after the holiday weekend ends, the fiscal cliff negotiations will heat up. now the speaker of the house has thrown a new problem into the talks, can a deal actually be reached? >>> shoppers looking for their own kind of grand bargain today. we're going to look at the black friday crush at shopping malls and super stores all over this country. but we start this hour with breaking news in egypt. you're looking at live pictures of tahrir square in cairo after the new...
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this is wicked boring. >> i bet the president will talk to him about the fiscal cliff and they'll talk about entitlement reform and maybe tax reform. but the one thing i don't think the president will do because the president is a gentleman, you know, what was up with the 47% and gifts? i gave gifts to people? he's not going to go there with mitt romney. one, as i said because he's gentleman, but two, he doesn't have to because mitt romney is coming there not as president of the united states, but guest of. and that's the best -- >> i now have a solid prediction. he will not once say the word yo. >> that was my own -- >> your artistic representation. >> richard, what i think, the only thing i'd find great about it is watching obama, the actor. as we just saw, oh, i thought he did a terrific job at the olympics, i loved watching that stream of i'm not sure what you call it, but it's acting. it's not coming from the heart. >> he does it very sincerely and look, we may never know what happens inside those quiet rooms that they're going to be having their meeting in, but here's what we kno
this is wicked boring. >> i bet the president will talk to him about the fiscal cliff and they'll talk about entitlement reform and maybe tax reform. but the one thing i don't think the president will do because the president is a gentleman, you know, what was up with the 47% and gifts? i gave gifts to people? he's not going to go there with mitt romney. one, as i said because he's gentleman, but two, he doesn't have to because mitt romney is coming there not as president of the united...
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. >>> last night on "the ed show," saying he wants obama-care included in talks on the fiscal cliff. he said the courts and american people have already spoken on that subject. >> with regard to the affordable care act, the supreme court, a conservative court at that, has already put its stamp of approval on it. we need to move on. boehner does not want to accept that. i think he is trying to send a message to the tea party he's got something here he wants to continue to fight over. we need to let this go. keep in mind, we voted on this repealing of the act some 37 times already. the american people clearly want it intact. >> now for a look at the national weather, return to nbc meteorologist bill karins. good morning. you're cooking turkey today, right? happy thanksgiving. frs >> yes. my wife will put it in the oven this morning and i will probably get the responsibility for the results. >> dress it up? >> i'm sure if it's really good, she'll take credit. if not, fall on me. the way it goes at my house. >>> good morning, everybody. hope you're off to a good start on thanksgiving mor
. >>> last night on "the ed show," saying he wants obama-care included in talks on the fiscal cliff. he said the courts and american people have already spoken on that subject. >> with regard to the affordable care act, the supreme court, a conservative court at that, has already put its stamp of approval on it. we need to move on. boehner does not want to accept that. i think he is trying to send a message to the tea party he's got something here he wants to continue...
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and tomorrow night nancy pelosi will join me to talk about the fiscal cliff. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> good evening, ed. thank you. thanks to you at home for staying with us. if you get a tweet from president obama, you will know it by his signature. the president has an official twitter account from which all sorts of on message things get tweeted. but the white house says you know when a tweet has been written by the president himself because in that case the tweet gets a little initial signature. a "bo" in lower case. barack obama, as in i the president wrote this tweet. if it was a dog, it would be the paw print. the president was writing his own tweet this is afternoon. the string of twitter messages about the budget negotiations in washington. the white house announcing in advance today that the president himself would be answering people's questions about the negotiations in washington. he would be answering them directly on twitter starting at 2:00 p.m. eastern. it is kind of awesome that regular people can ask direct questions from
and tomorrow night nancy pelosi will join me to talk about the fiscal cliff. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> good evening, ed. thank you. thanks to you at home for staying with us. if you get a tweet from president obama, you will know it by his signature. the president has an official twitter account from which all sorts of on message things get tweeted. but the white house says you know when a tweet has been written by the president himself because in that case...
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. >> holiday cheer and fiscal cliff fears. >> of course, we're talking about the -- >> fiscal cliff. >> it does cause uncertainty. >> there's a great uncertainty. >> there's always uncertainty. life is uncertain. >> i think it's more of a slope. republicans possibly maybe -- >> growing number of republicans. >> looking to make a deal. >> and they would like one pretty quick. >> some top republicans suggest they could shock horror. >> the mythical grover norquist. >> break with their sacred pledge. >> to grover norquist. ♪ another one bites the dust >> nobody's turning on me. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> nobody's turning on me. >> it is not about that pledge. >> nobody's turning on me. >> it really is about trying to solve problems. >> i'm sorry, that's just silly. >> grover norquist is not jesus. >> he can't burn down your house. >> we would highlight whose kept their commitment. >> this guy's a political lone shark. >> nobody's turning on me. >> i will violate the pledge. >> nobody's turning on me. ♪ >> with 36 days until the curve, republicans on fox news say their pa
. >> holiday cheer and fiscal cliff fears. >> of course, we're talking about the -- >> fiscal cliff. >> it does cause uncertainty. >> there's a great uncertainty. >> there's always uncertainty. life is uncertain. >> i think it's more of a slope. republicans possibly maybe -- >> growing number of republicans. >> looking to make a deal. >> and they would like one pretty quick. >> some top republicans suggest they could shock...
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i was concerned about the wheel of misfortune there on the fiscal cliff. >> i'm worried about it, too. but let's talk about that. how much leverage do the republicans have? we know that the president has leverage because elections matter but what kind of leverage do the republicans have? >> i think the president wants to get this taken care of, not worry about a debt ceiling in the future and the republicans with their effort in that debate and some negotiating room for the republicans. they would like to see serious entitlement reforms or a movement in that direction and a system set up to try to do major tax reform. i think some of that may happen. we are seeing some democrats show some willingness to tinker around with medicare and social security perhaps. >> john, we can't top talking about the cliff negotiation that's all we've been talking about lately and i have something to bring to the table about that. keep rolling up right there. we're stuck between clifs and it makes me think about the great outdoors and pictures boehner between a rock and a hard place. i want to bring bac
i was concerned about the wheel of misfortune there on the fiscal cliff. >> i'm worried about it, too. but let's talk about that. how much leverage do the republicans have? we know that the president has leverage because elections matter but what kind of leverage do the republicans have? >> i think the president wants to get this taken care of, not worry about a debt ceiling in the future and the republicans with their effort in that debate and some negotiating room for the...
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and that needs to be remembered when we're talking about the fiscal cliff. now, women really are, in fact, bearing the primary burden of all of these cuts. and so what we're saying is, let's don't engage in these cuts. let's have an aggressive jobs policy, put people to work, bring more money into the federal treasury, and lower the deficit that way. and, obviously, tax the millionaires and billionaires fairly for the first time in 30 years. >> right. >> so, terry, aggressive jobs program. great. that's the third way. president obama submitted to congress the american jobs act last september. so are you suggesting -- are you suggesting that that bill be passed? are you suggesting that it be reworked, junked and recreated? the second part of that question is, what are you going to do? what is now going to do to ensure that it gets passed? >> i would really much rather representative john connier's jobs bill be passed. it's much more aggressive. january ja cow ski also has a wonderful jobs bill. president obama's is much more modst. but it does lead us beginni
and that needs to be remembered when we're talking about the fiscal cliff. now, women really are, in fact, bearing the primary burden of all of these cuts. and so what we're saying is, let's don't engage in these cuts. let's have an aggressive jobs policy, put people to work, bring more money into the federal treasury, and lower the deficit that way. and, obviously, tax the millionaires and billionaires fairly for the first time in 30 years. >> right. >> so, terry, aggressive jobs...
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about the fiscal cliff. we don't know a lot about what they talked about. the meeting was about an hour long. they had white turkey chili and southwestern chicken salad. but molly, this is the first time they've seen each other since the election. what do you say beyond congratulations, mr. president? >> goodness knows. it's pretty telling that the most newsworthy item out of that meeting was the lunch menu. the readout we got from the white house was very sort of boilerplate. we do know what didn't happen, unless there's something they're not telling us. romney was not offered a job or a post in the administration, as some had speculated might happen as sort of a conciliatory gesture. who knows if he would have taken that or wanted something like that. it was sort of very tepid, the language that we got, that they would work together in the future if opportunities arose on issues they were both interested in, and they discussed american leadership in the world, which is about the closest you can come to say
about the fiscal cliff. we don't know a lot about what they talked about. the meeting was about an hour long. they had white turkey chili and southwestern chicken salad. but molly, this is the first time they've seen each other since the election. what do you say beyond congratulations, mr. president? >> goodness knows. it's pretty telling that the most newsworthy item out of that meeting was the lunch menu. the readout we got from the white house was very sort of boilerplate. we do know...
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the fiscal cliff negotiation. what if we do not get a deal? what does that do to the economy? all taxes are going to be going up. going to be $4 trillion in the economy. that would fix a lot of stuff. but obviously the concern is we may fall into a deep recession. what's your take on all that? >> people's paychecks will immediately experience -- they will be a little smaller. 2 percentage points more and your tax cut will be higher. but congress can change the tax law. remember, the republicans themselves did this when they raised taxes on teenagers who work six years ago. so the immediate effect is less than the boogeyman effect. the thing to watch for is do the democrats and president obama hold firm or do they betray the people who put them in office? >> would it be a betrayal at this point, do you think? >> if we come up with a gimmick that really makes the tax burden not fall on the very wealthiest of people. but on upper middle class americans and middle class americans, that would be something of a betrayal
the fiscal cliff negotiation. what if we do not get a deal? what does that do to the economy? all taxes are going to be going up. going to be $4 trillion in the economy. that would fix a lot of stuff. but obviously the concern is we may fall into a deep recession. what's your take on all that? >> people's paychecks will immediately experience -- they will be a little smaller. 2 percentage points more and your tax cut will be higher. but congress can change the tax law. remember, the...
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a lot to get into this morning as we talk about the fiscal cliff. erskine bowles says he thinks democrats and republicans are serious about getting a deal done, but when you hear congressman cole walking back statements, do you think that's true? >> cole doesn't want to be a political target of the right. so he can easily say i really didn't mean that prks and to ge of the news. and probably trying to set the table for other guys. which is a signal that the right wing is still very stuck in con kreetd as you said earlier. they don't want to move. they are denying election results. but there is real ominous things i think that are starting to surface here. any talk of a mortgage deduction change would be horrendous in my opinion and it would fly in the face of everything barack obama and joe biden ran on in protecting middle class. they have to be crystal clear that that is off the table. the housing crisis started the last recession. if they go after mortgage deductions, if they put that on the table even for high end homes, that will change sales,
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about the fiscal cliff or the debt limit which looms in february or march. >> as we know there is no real fiscal cliff. it's more of a curve or a mole hill. it's serious and real but not going over the cliff. if there is something of a cliff-like situation, it's playing to the president's advantage. december 31st what he doesn't want, the bush tax cuts for the rich, will be gone. they'll also be gone with the middle-class tax cuts. two years ago the republicans tried to hold the president hostage and said listen, if you don't give us the bush high-end tax cuts we're not giving you the middle-class tax cuts. the president ju jitsued that into a second stimulus. the president this time around has a little advantage. he can let all tax cuts expire on december 31st which is what democrats are advocating, first week in januariry when the congress comes back in, he can say, guys, we have 98% of the public i want to give tax cuts to right now, we can keep arguing about the top 2 but do this right now for the 98%. how come you're not with me on this? that's i think is a card for him to play
about the fiscal cliff or the debt limit which looms in february or march. >> as we know there is no real fiscal cliff. it's more of a curve or a mole hill. it's serious and real but not going over the cliff. if there is something of a cliff-like situation, it's playing to the president's advantage. december 31st what he doesn't want, the bush tax cuts for the rich, will be gone. they'll also be gone with the middle-class tax cuts. two years ago the republicans tried to hold the president...
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about the fiscal cliff. no one is signaling what they might discuss, but house speaker john boehner when asked about tonight's event said that he thinks he might run into the president. >> no doubt. kristin, we're also hearing that the president has made some reference to the possibility of president assad or the fear, the rumor, that president assad might use chemical weapons against his own people, and we know, of course, saddam hussein do that against the kurds. what is the president saying about the prospect of that? >> reporter: well, some tough talk just a few minutes ago. president obama saying that if, in fact, the administration receives serious evidence that syria is, in fact, using chemical weapons, moving chemical weapons, that that would be a red line for this administration. now, we pressed white house press secretary jay carney on this point earlier and said, what specifically does a red line mean and what would the consequences be? the administration being fairly tight-lipped about that, but
about the fiscal cliff. no one is signaling what they might discuss, but house speaker john boehner when asked about tonight's event said that he thinks he might run into the president. >> no doubt. kristin, we're also hearing that the president has made some reference to the possibility of president assad or the fear, the rumor, that president assad might use chemical weapons against his own people, and we know, of course, saddam hussein do that against the kurds. what is the president...
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to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. utah congressman jason chafe fits joins me now. the president was campaigning today in campaign mode certainly and basically what the democrats and the white house are saying is this is what the american people voted for. all of the exit polls show that there is strong support, more than 60% of the voters, support tax increases for the wealthy. so how do you counter that? >> well, the president also said he was for a balanced approach and what we haven't seen is what is the other side of that balance? the president said he was going to help curb back the debt and tackle this deficit. instead, the president has the gull to actually go out and suggest that we should get rid of the debt ceiling votes and take away congress' ability to help put a lid on that. essentially wants a limitless credit card. that is a nonstarter for us in the house of representatives and the president should share with us what he thinks he should be cutting. not just 10, 20 years out in advance, what are we goin
to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. utah congressman jason chafe fits joins me now. the president was campaigning today in campaign mode certainly and basically what the democrats and the white house are saying is this is what the american people voted for. all of the exit polls show that there is strong support, more than 60% of the voters, support tax increases for the wealthy. so how do you counter that? >> well, the president also said he was for a balanced approach and what we...
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the fiscal cliff, raising tax rates on the richest americans for them is still off the table. >> the revenues on the table are coming from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> joining me now is former vermont governor howard dean and msnbc's krystal ball. governor dean, our treasury secretary is a very carwful speaker. when asked if they're prepared to go off the cliff, his first word was absolutely. there was nothing, nothing could be more clear that this administration means what they say about getting what they want at this point. >> yeah. the only problem is -- this is a little initially going to team like heresy, the truth is everybody needs to pay more taxes, not just the rich. that's a good start. we won't get out of the probl
the fiscal cliff, raising tax rates on the richest americans for them is still off the table. >> the revenues on the table are coming from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. a plan that...
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details ahead. >>> meanwhile, washington was abuzz over avoiding the looming fiscal cliff. the president's lunch with mitt romney, the united nations note on palestine. all this as joe biden was christmas shopping. >>> and some amazing random acts of kindness. good morning, everyone. i'm lynn berry. and today the first of the two grand prize powerball winners will come forward to reveal themselves and have their lives change forever. and there's also buzz about a potential code within the winning numbers. nbc's kerry sanders has that story. >> reporter: in tiny dearborn, missouri, where just about everyone knows everyone, the question is was it one of their own who bought a winning powerball ticket? >> it's exciting, very exciting. we never, ever thought that we would sell the winning ticket, and here it is. we did. >> reporter: folks in this farming community just off interstate 70 are now trying to figure out if the winning numbers were chosen with meaning. dearborn is but 35 miles north of kansas city, home of the royals baseball team. those winning lottery numbers? they
details ahead. >>> meanwhile, washington was abuzz over avoiding the looming fiscal cliff. the president's lunch with mitt romney, the united nations note on palestine. all this as joe biden was christmas shopping. >>> and some amazing random acts of kindness. good morning, everyone. i'm lynn berry. and today the first of the two grand prize powerball winners will come forward to reveal themselves and have their lives change forever. and there's also buzz about a potential...
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cliff. >>> the meet iing with the president looks good for progressives. we'll get the scoop from james hoffa. >>> plus breaking news. republicans running the benghazi witch hunt remain disturbed and troubles. >> i'm more disturbed and significantly troubled. >> i'm more troubled. >> joan walsh on today's big meeting with susan rice. >>> and yesterday ricks rolled fox news. >> i think that the emphasis on benghazi has been extremely political because fox was operating as a wing of the republican party. >> today fox news strikes back. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. the white house is keeping republicans in a box. president obama is hitting the road to push the extension of tax cuts for income, for folks under $250,000 a year. the president will kick off his tour in southeastern pennsylvania on friday. today he met with small business owners at the white house and tomorrow he plans to meet with a group of middle-class families. republicans will be countering
cliff. >>> the meet iing with the president looks good for progressives. we'll get the scoop from james hoffa. >>> plus breaking news. republicans running the benghazi witch hunt remain disturbed and troubles. >> i'm more disturbed and significantly troubled. >> i'm more troubled. >> joan walsh on today's big meeting with susan rice. >>> and yesterday ricks rolled fox news. >> i think that the emphasis on benghazi has been extremely political...
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cliff gets resolved. in the end, they have got not much. they can say they have a mandate so it's equal, but it really isn't and they know that. >> we seem to know as much about mitt romney's taxes as we do about the loopholes republicans are willing to close in this. they can't offer any specifics. is this a turnoff for the people? >> in fairness we have to recognize that there's been a lack of specifics on both sides here. they are negotiating in public. you notice that that's how this stuff is coming out. it's not phone calls between the two sides or closed-door meetings. we don't know what spending democrats would cut and we haven't even begun the entitlements discussion, which the president is theoretically open to. so there's a lot that still needs to happen. i mean for you and me and normal people, three weeks away may seem like a short time, but there's a feeling that this has barely even begun. >> here's senator bob corker and claire mccaskill. here it is. >> i have just laid out in very painful
cliff gets resolved. in the end, they have got not much. they can say they have a mandate so it's equal, but it really isn't and they know that. >> we seem to know as much about mitt romney's taxes as we do about the loopholes republicans are willing to close in this. they can't offer any specifics. is this a turnoff for the people? >> in fairness we have to recognize that there's been a lack of specifics on both sides here. they are negotiating in public. you notice that that's how...
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with the fiscal cliff, do you think there's a way to reach an agreement on the fiscal cliff? are you willing to do comprehensive entitlement reforms in exchange for an increase tax rate? >> i think that's an excellent question. let's make one thing clear. the entitlements have little to do with the day-to-day operation of the budget. they have their own separate budgets. they're paid for in a separate manner, through payroll taxes. so anybody that wants to do that is really holding the issue hostage. the other side is good at doing that. republicans have been very good at holding us hostage. we said to them at least pass the middle chas tax cuts and let's continue those and then we'll debate the other stuff. there is no compromising these ideologues. i want compromise. people want them to come together. if you hold the other issue or the other side hostage, it's not going to get done. i'm a little less optimistic than i was last week when i hear from staff and the discussions that are going on behind the scenes. i'm less optimistic about it. but i'm in there fighting for reso
with the fiscal cliff, do you think there's a way to reach an agreement on the fiscal cliff? are you willing to do comprehensive entitlement reforms in exchange for an increase tax rate? >> i think that's an excellent question. let's make one thing clear. the entitlements have little to do with the day-to-day operation of the budget. they have their own separate budgets. they're paid for in a separate manner, through payroll taxes. so anybody that wants to do that is really holding the...
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i love you, too. >>> in those talks to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff, house democrats are being pressed for compromises on spending cuts. are they going to agree to cuts in medicare and other entitlements in exchange for tax increases? south carolina congressman and assistant democratic leader james clyburn joins me now from south carolina. welcome, congressman. thanks for being with us. >> thank you so much for having me. >> let's talk about these negotiations because ruth marcus from the "washington post" was reporting earlier in our program that in initial talks staff to staff that there was no give at all from the republicans in their initial counteroffer to the white house, no give at all on the extension of the debt ceiling. where do you stand, if there's no give on that? how do you avoid this crisis? >> well, i would hope that those reports are erroneous. the fact of the matter is i think that we have vetted that with the american people. we have now had a very definitive election and i think the american people spoke very loudly as to the approach they would like to take. we kno
i love you, too. >>> in those talks to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff, house democrats are being pressed for compromises on spending cuts. are they going to agree to cuts in medicare and other entitlements in exchange for tax increases? south carolina congressman and assistant democratic leader james clyburn joins me now from south carolina. welcome, congressman. thanks for being with us. >> thank you so much for having me. >> let's talk about these negotiations because...
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i'll talk costco and fiscal cliff with steve greenhouse of "the new york times." >>> plus hostess executives tank their company and cost the people their jobs. so why are they still demanding millions of dollars in bonuses? >>> and we'll tell you how senator john mccain fits in with congressman louie gohmert's latest conspiracy theory. >> this administration sent planes and bombs and support to oust gadhafi so al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood could take over libya. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. republicans are walking tall in public but hanging their heads behind closed doors. john boehner struck a defiant tone during a news conference today. he blamed the president and democrats for stalling negotiations on a debt deal. >> despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> tough talk. it's also completely divorced from reality. right before the news conference, boe
i'll talk costco and fiscal cliff with steve greenhouse of "the new york times." >>> plus hostess executives tank their company and cost the people their jobs. so why are they still demanding millions of dollars in bonuses? >>> and we'll tell you how senator john mccain fits in with congressman louie gohmert's latest conspiracy theory. >> this administration sent planes and bombs and support to oust gadhafi so al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood could take over...
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let me play a little bit of what he had to say regarding the fiscal cliff and the threat that looms. let me play it. >> when it comes to raising taxes on the wealthy, those making more than $250,000, if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. >> so is it a bluff when the obama administration says they're willing to go off the cliff if a deal is not reached on rates? >> i don't think it's a bluff. if you look at the reality of what happens, all the leverage which i -- right now clearly the white house has. they get more leverage if we go over their cliff. you can argue that would not send a good message to the country, to the world. it would prove that we are dysfunctional and cannot govern, et cetera, et cetera. in terms of dealing with the policy problem, which is you have this massive and growing debt, you have to bring in more revenues. there's multiple ways to do it, but critical ways to raise rates on
let me play a little bit of what he had to say regarding the fiscal cliff and the threat that looms. let me play it. >> when it comes to raising taxes on the wealthy, those making more than $250,000, if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. >> so is it a bluff when the obama administration says...
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cliff is working, at least it has everybody talking right now about something they didn't even want to talk about a year or so ago. i would say this comes in steps. the next step with a $4 trillion failsafe, you could -- simpson-bowles is in legislative language, demini chi-rivlin, but it puts it in a different position and you move the ball a heck of a lot farther down the field. >> mr. cody, as the ceo, what kind of treasury secretary do you want? what -- throw out some names. who do you think is the right person to lead us going forward at the most important critical economic job? >> tim geithner. i love tim. >> i think tim geithner and -- tim geithner's family have a few other ideas about that. i don't think he can be persu e persuaded. the job is still open. clearly there are a lot of issues on the table. >> yes. >> and thank you for coming and joining us today and for sharing what you and other members of the business community thinks to be done. >> thank you. thank you for highlighting this. it's an important issue for the american public. >> well, we're going to stay on it.
cliff is working, at least it has everybody talking right now about something they didn't even want to talk about a year or so ago. i would say this comes in steps. the next step with a $4 trillion failsafe, you could -- simpson-bowles is in legislative language, demini chi-rivlin, but it puts it in a different position and you move the ball a heck of a lot farther down the field. >> mr. cody, as the ceo, what kind of treasury secretary do you want? what -- throw out some names. who do...
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he is in pennsylvania at the toy factory talking fiscal cliff. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. [ emily jo ] derrell comes into starbucks with his wife, danielle, almost every weekend. derrell hasn't been able to visit his mom back east in a long time. [ shirley ] things are sometimes a little tight around the house. i wasn't able to go to the wedding. [ emily jo ] since derrell couldn't get home, we decided to bring home to him and then just gave him a little bit of help finding his way. ♪ [ laughs ] [ applause ] i love you. i love you, too. side by side so you get the same coverage, often for less. that's one smart board. what else does it do, reverse gravity? [ laughs ] [ laughs ] [ whooshing ] tell me about it. why am i not going anywhere? you don't believe hard enough. a smarter way to shop around. now that's progressive. call or click today. [ grunting ] >>> mitt romney made it to the oval office yesterday, but not quite in the way he'd envision ed it. the two former rivals talked for over an hour over white turkey chili
he is in pennsylvania at the toy factory talking fiscal cliff. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. [ emily jo ] derrell comes into starbucks with his wife, danielle, almost every weekend. derrell hasn't been able to visit his mom back east in a long time. [ shirley ] things are sometimes a little tight around the house. i wasn't able to go to the wedding. [ emily jo ] since derrell couldn't get home, we decided to bring home to him and then just gave him a little bit of...
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let's talk about the fiscal cliff negotiations. what negotiations? what's happening behind the scenes? >> first of all, i just heard what mr. mcconnell said. and i just left the president. one of the things that he said to us, he said, don't pack up your bags. in other words, he's determined to get this deal done and get it done before the end of the year. the fact is, the president is very much engaged but he also understands that one of the things he's got to do is get a balanced package done. he's got to have revenue and he's also got to have some very targeted cuts. so -- and he also is trying to get across the point that republicans and democrats agree that those folks making less than $250,000, their tax cuts should be extended. so, again, we've got a situation now where the republicans can stand on the sideline or they can adhere to what the public has said in this election. they want us to get the deal done and move forward. at least we can get done what we already agree on. >> would you agree, auwould you and other house democrats agree in s
let's talk about the fiscal cliff negotiations. what negotiations? what's happening behind the scenes? >> first of all, i just heard what mr. mcconnell said. and i just left the president. one of the things that he said to us, he said, don't pack up your bags. in other words, he's determined to get this deal done and get it done before the end of the year. the fact is, the president is very much engaged but he also understands that one of the things he's got to do is get a balanced...
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to him about what he thinks about what could happen with the fiscal cliff, what do you think about the president's pr moves so far and what he's doing? >> well, i wouldn't call it a pr move. i think what the president is doing is saying we just came from a campaign, one of the key issues in that campaign is whether or not we ask the wealthiest people in this country to start paying their fair share in taxes. and pretty overwhelmingly, and the presidential election, senate elections, the person people said, yes, they said that the middle class is disappearing, the richest people in this country are going phenomenally well, their effective tax rate as warren buffett reminds us is very, very low and fairness dictates that the wealthy and large corporations start paying their fair share of taxes so we can deal with deficit reduction in a responsible way. what the president is simply doing is going around the country, i guess to pennsylvania today to say, yeah, what do you think out there? >> and you know what i think? i think there's no state in this country, no state where people think th
to him about what he thinks about what could happen with the fiscal cliff, what do you think about the president's pr moves so far and what he's doing? >> well, i wouldn't call it a pr move. i think what the president is doing is saying we just came from a campaign, one of the key issues in that campaign is whether or not we ask the wealthiest people in this country to start paying their fair share in taxes. and pretty overwhelmingly, and the presidential election, senate elections, the...
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itself as it tries to negotiate an approach toward the fiscal cliff. fox news, with all its stunned punditry on election night is not amused. the network confirms karl rove will only be allowed on air after producers receive permission. ditto, dick morris, the republican cheerleader still waiting to the romney/ryan call. gentlemen, don't sit there waiting in vein. there's a seat right here across the street with your name on it. come on. [ emily jo ] derrell comes into starbucks with his wife, danielle, almost every weekend. derrell hasn't been able to visit his mom back east in a long time. [ shirley ] things are sometimes a little tight around the house. i wasn't able to go to the wedding. [ emily jo ] since derrell couldn't get home, we decided to bring home to him and then just gave him a little bit of help finding his way. ♪ [ laughs ] [ applause ] i love you. i love you, too. yofor giving the perfect gift?le just have a knack i love you. they put real thought into it. and find just... the right...thing. how do they do that? more saving. more do
itself as it tries to negotiate an approach toward the fiscal cliff. fox news, with all its stunned punditry on election night is not amused. the network confirms karl rove will only be allowed on air after producers receive permission. ditto, dick morris, the republican cheerleader still waiting to the romney/ryan call. gentlemen, don't sit there waiting in vein. there's a seat right here across the street with your name on it. come on. [ emily jo ] derrell comes into starbucks with his wife,...
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it gets a lot less clear when you talk about health care or the fiscal cliff. the first thing they did. i spoke to some people at the white house about it this week. they tried to get the base activists involved in the persuasion campaign around the fiscal cliff. they have an info graham and information that shares. teddy goff is one of the digital directors of the campaign has noted that when they want to talk to people on facebook, they reach $10 million with any contact they consider pretty good. that's the first thing they are doing. the harder question comes next. if you don't have the things work out, if you don't get a deal on the fill buster to stopt obstruction, do you bring them in to do something more confrontational. >> let's take a look. laura was anticipating some of these arguments, particularly around progress sives. if you look at the chart that you generated of national ofa e-mails, from obama for america to organizing for america, we see it is primarily about health care. you get this big spike. there is some work going on about sotomayor and
it gets a lot less clear when you talk about health care or the fiscal cliff. the first thing they did. i spoke to some people at the white house about it this week. they tried to get the base activists involved in the persuasion campaign around the fiscal cliff. they have an info graham and information that shares. teddy goff is one of the digital directors of the campaign has noted that when they want to talk to people on facebook, they reach $10 million with any contact they consider pretty...
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one is let's do some agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff and that may be another short-term agreement to extend the rates, extend the spending as is, or maybe a slight modification and we'll have a negotiation next year on part two the grand bargain to overhaul the tax code and spending. i think both sides go into this with the general agreement, the leaders, that is, that they're going to have a short-term solution. i think the stock market's going to take a bit of a hit in the three or four weeks until we get to that end game but i think they're moving toward that. >> david, you agree with that? we're going to get something whether permanent or a downpayment. >> i think so. neither side wants a repeat of two summers ago when the country's credit rating took a hit for the first time ever. you know and i think as we saw friday they came out with a bit of a unified voice for the first time. >> thank you. >>> whether you're about to get on the road or already settled in for the holiday, for the most part there's a lot to be thankful. in the weather department this year, most of country
one is let's do some agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff and that may be another short-term agreement to extend the rates, extend the spending as is, or maybe a slight modification and we'll have a negotiation next year on part two the grand bargain to overhaul the tax code and spending. i think both sides go into this with the general agreement, the leaders, that is, that they're going to have a short-term solution. i think the stock market's going to take a bit of a hit in the three or four...
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and the issues that we are going to address with this sort of fiscal cliff, fiscal slope, hill, wharf you want to call it are going to be very, very important issues. i want to clear one things up. the republicans wants to talk about deductions all the time. one of the key distinctions between letting the taxes go up a little bit on the 2% versus trying to find this money through deductions, is the fact when we're talking about capping deductions, that's something that's going to impact middle class families and middle class earners the most. and so it really is -- i don't want to make this about class warfare. it's really about what is fiscally smart for the economy. most economists are telling us this tax increase will not have very much impact in terms of growth. if you talk about essentially raising taxes on 98% of americans either through some kind of crazy deduction plan or just letting the bush tax cuts go, that can have a very, very severe effect on the economy. >> as usual dr. peterson makes a superb point. president clinton used to say if you want to live like a republican,
and the issues that we are going to address with this sort of fiscal cliff, fiscal slope, hill, wharf you want to call it are going to be very, very important issues. i want to clear one things up. the republicans wants to talk about deductions all the time. one of the key distinctions between letting the taxes go up a little bit on the 2% versus trying to find this money through deductions, is the fact when we're talking about capping deductions, that's something that's going to impact middle...
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. >>> whether you call it the fiscal cliff, the austerity bomb or just another manufactured political crisis, the fed chair says investors are making moves to plan for gridlock on the road to fiscal redemption. >> coming together to find fiscal solutions will not be easy. but the stakes are high. >> okay. if the stakes are so high, why is congress still playing chicken. >> failure is still an option, but what would that mean? we will discuss next on "now." my insurance rates are probably gonna double. but, dad, you've got... [ voice of dennis ] allstate. with accident forgiveness, they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. [ voice of dennis ] indeed. are you in good hands? >>> if we're going to raise taxes we're going to do it on everybody. that to me is fairness. i don't think anybody's taxes ought to be raised. i'm offended listening to the people responsible for this blame the american people because they're not paying enough in taxes for the problem. that's not our problem. our problem is a spending problem, first, second, third, fourth, fifth, o
. >>> whether you call it the fiscal cliff, the austerity bomb or just another manufactured political crisis, the fed chair says investors are making moves to plan for gridlock on the road to fiscal redemption. >> coming together to find fiscal solutions will not be easy. but the stakes are high. >> okay. if the stakes are so high, why is congress still playing chicken. >> failure is still an option, but what would that mean? we will discuss next on "now."...
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but i do think that they would talk about fiscal cliff. they'd talk about tax reform. they'd talk about entitlements because, i mean, say what you will about mitt romney. i mean, he does have some ideas. and you would hope that he would come to the table without the pressure of the campaign, without the pressure of being the republican nominee, but just a businessman, american who thinks that he has some ideas to solve these problems, that he would be honest and truthful with what he would want to offer. but the other thing is, i don't think, though, what the base would want the president to say to him is what about the 47%? what about this gifts thing you said about me? the president's not going to do that. >> they're not going to talk about any of that. >> not at all. >> i think there's a long history of these kinds of touchy feely meetings and feel good. the idea that romney's going to engage in this budget thing and be helpful, chuck, i'd love to know what you think, but i don't really see that happening. >> reporter: no, that's not going to be the case. i mean, th
but i do think that they would talk about fiscal cliff. they'd talk about tax reform. they'd talk about entitlements because, i mean, say what you will about mitt romney. i mean, he does have some ideas. and you would hope that he would come to the table without the pressure of the campaign, without the pressure of being the republican nominee, but just a businessman, american who thinks that he has some ideas to solve these problems, that he would be honest and truthful with what he would want...
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we started this whole discussion with the notion of the fiscal cliff, right? you know there are people on the left and people on the right who are both saying, there is no cliff. what are you talking about? what cliff? this is no big deal. so explain to us actually -- you talked about the gdp impact at the very top of this block. what's the argument for hey, don't worry about this? this cliff isn't for real. and what's the counterargument to that? >> the argument for this not being a cliff is to say, you know, if we go over it or january 1st arrives, guess what? we have certainty. we have certainty that taxes are going to go up, that the sequester is going to be there, and some people would argue, paul krugman would say, it's there, it's in stone. let it ride. >>> when we come back, "polit o "politico's" jonathan martin joins us. >> i don't want to do that. it's very comfortable, very warm in there. >> cozy. are you in the fetal position? you all should be. dr. nancy snyderman has tips on how to take care of your mental health during the holiday season. >> i n
we started this whole discussion with the notion of the fiscal cliff, right? you know there are people on the left and people on the right who are both saying, there is no cliff. what are you talking about? what cliff? this is no big deal. so explain to us actually -- you talked about the gdp impact at the very top of this block. what's the argument for hey, don't worry about this? this cliff isn't for real. and what's the counterargument to that? >> the argument for this not being a...
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we've been talking, dr. brzezinski, about the fiscal cliff. i'd love your take on it, what signal it sends to the rest of the world that we don't seem to be able to put our economic house in order. >> well, the way you put it, you give the answer. your answer is right. we look a little bit disorderly. indecisive, leaderless. that's a real problem. and that's a problem that concerns me particularly on foreign affairs. the presidency, not just president obama, but the presidency in recent years has lost some of the terrain that they used to dominate in the making of foreign policy. i think president obama has to make a serious effort to regain it because he lost some of it himself. >> lost terrain to congress or to whom? >> to congress and to the world. that is to say his capacity to take decisive actions has been limited by congressional intervention, by the influence of lobbies, by the sense that he gives good speeches, very good speeches, and he really understands the world, but the follow-through in terms of policy is somewhat not there. so
we've been talking, dr. brzezinski, about the fiscal cliff. i'd love your take on it, what signal it sends to the rest of the world that we don't seem to be able to put our economic house in order. >> well, the way you put it, you give the answer. your answer is right. we look a little bit disorderly. indecisive, leaderless. that's a real problem. and that's a problem that concerns me particularly on foreign affairs. the presidency, not just president obama, but the presidency in recent...
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sacks, you know -- >> we got to talk about this. >> we want to talk about fiscal cliff but this probably speaks to you as well because obviously you've talked about nutrition worldwide. a lot of times we see a great disparity between what's happening in inner cities in america and rich suburbs. >> and our food environment. >> do you have any take on this? >> first of all, i think what was said was that the processing is where a lot of the dangerous stuff can be added. it's not exactly whether it's a freeze dried or whether it's fresh, but how it's processed. there have been recent studies showing the processed meats, that's the really worst kind when you have a lot of nitrates, putnitrates put into the food for preservatives and other things. that's where the biggest dangers are. the other thing, organic is complicated. it can taste good but we can't grow the world's food supply that way. it just doesn't add up. and so we have to take that into some balance, also. >> so let's talk about the fiscal cliff. you have an article on that. >> our economics correspondent wrote about the fiscal c
sacks, you know -- >> we got to talk about this. >> we want to talk about fiscal cliff but this probably speaks to you as well because obviously you've talked about nutrition worldwide. a lot of times we see a great disparity between what's happening in inner cities in america and rich suburbs. >> and our food environment. >> do you have any take on this? >> first of all, i think what was said was that the processing is where a lot of the dangerous stuff can be...
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fiscal cliff here and basically, i mean, i know next to nothing about the fiscal cliff or the negotiations that are going on. is your sense that there's more going on behind the scenes than what we talk about or what's in the papers? >> you know, i love -- no. there's not. i mean -- >> you mean we're right? >> no, it's one of those -- it's amazing. i think we all assume oh, there's got to be real stuff going on. this is just -- and maybe this is an elaborate ploy, right, that the president and boehner said okay, we're going to do all this and then magically we'll bring it all together as everybody feels everything's going to heck in a handbasket. but no, there's not a lot going on sort of behind the scenes. there isn't a backroom -- yes, rob neighbors who's the chief congressional liaison for the white house, he checks in daily with boehner's and mcconnell's office, but there's not real negotiations going on like we saw in the last ten days. but i also am a little bit of -- i think everybody should just go to -- you know, go to sleep, wake up on december 14th when there's about a week to g
fiscal cliff here and basically, i mean, i know next to nothing about the fiscal cliff or the negotiations that are going on. is your sense that there's more going on behind the scenes than what we talk about or what's in the papers? >> you know, i love -- no. there's not. i mean -- >> you mean we're right? >> no, it's one of those -- it's amazing. i think we all assume oh, there's got to be real stuff going on. this is just -- and maybe this is an elaborate ploy, right, that...
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has a look at the playbook. >> good morning, guys. >> let's talk fiscal cliff. your lead story this morning on the white house new strategy to attack the fiscal cliff calling it kind of a road show. i guess the opposite of the way they've negotiated inside with john boehner and others on past deals. >> yeah, the president feels he has very strong cards here and one of the strategies of the white house is that if we go over the cliff, if all those tax cuts are allowed to expire, the president has real ways to extract pain from the republicans. polls already show people are more likely to blame republicans and here's something very important. republican leaders know that. joe scarborough writes on politico right now that when eric cantor, the number two house republican was there on your set, that he noticed a different tone from him and seeing more and more signs of that as the week goes along, the republican leaders recognize that the president has an inaugural address, a state of the union address and a lot of high-profile ways to pin the blame on them and so t
has a look at the playbook. >> good morning, guys. >> let's talk fiscal cliff. your lead story this morning on the white house new strategy to attack the fiscal cliff calling it kind of a road show. i guess the opposite of the way they've negotiated inside with john boehner and others on past deals. >> yeah, the president feels he has very strong cards here and one of the strategies of the white house is that if we go over the cliff, if all those tax cuts are allowed to...
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it's less a fiscal cliff than it is a slide or an incline plane or whatever. but i think that, you know, soon after the 1st, if we haven't done it by then when all the tax rates go and all the changes happen, we get serious and something happens, and i think speaker boehner will be part of it. that's why i'm generally optimistic within the next month if not within the next few weeks. >> i hope so. senator sherrod brown, thank you so much. nice to have you here, your wife as well. >>> coming up next, david shweikert is among a handful of conservatives demanding an explanation after being removed from their committee assignments. he'll join us next right here on "morning joe." meet the 5-passenger ford c-max hybrid. when you're carrying a lot of weight, c-max has a nice little trait, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. to the best vacation sp(all) the gulf! it doesn't matter which of our gr
it's less a fiscal cliff than it is a slide or an incline plane or whatever. but i think that, you know, soon after the 1st, if we haven't done it by then when all the tax rates go and all the changes happen, we get serious and something happens, and i think speaker boehner will be part of it. that's why i'm generally optimistic within the next month if not within the next few weeks. >> i hope so. senator sherrod brown, thank you so much. nice to have you here, your wife as well....